Dev Interrupted
Software itself is fundamentally changing. We explore the transition to agentic orchestration, vibe coding, and AI-native development, grounding the conversation in the principles that have always defined great engineering.
On Tuesdays, we interview the founders, architects, and builders of the world’s most impactful tech to uncover the timeless engineering principles and strategies shaping the next era of development.
And on Fridays, we drop an end-of-week roundup of the biggest news in AI and software, and what it actually means for your career, your craft, and your life as a developer.
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Episodes
278 episodes
Sloppypasta culprits, unpacking MCP’s spotlight, and Anthropic wants your agents to work the graveyard shift
Are rolling token blackouts and late-night AI coding shifts about to become the new normal for developers? This week on the Friday Deploy, Andrew and Ben explore the shifting economics of AI compute before debating whether the Model Context Pro...
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Season 6
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Episode 21
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31:52
Many tokens make all bugs shallow & open source’s new maintainers | Chainguard's Dan Lorenc
Autonomous agents are pushing deployment speeds to the absolute limit, but is our security infrastructure ready for the consequences? Andrew sits down with Chainguard CEO Dan Lorenc to discuss the severe supply chain risks of this new frontier ...
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Season 6
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Episode 20
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39:57
Inference is the new 401k matching and what we’re learning from AI-related outages
Are we heading toward a bizarre future where your engineering salary is paid in AI compute tokens instead of cash? Andrew and Ben tackle the latest tech industry shakeups, starting with Meta's acquisition of Moltbook and the controversial idea ...
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Season 6
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Episode 19
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21:49
Your engineers need an AI control plane, not more tools | Guild.ai’s James Everingham
Right now, a lot of engineering leaders are stuck in the same loop: rolling out AI tools only to watch their teams quietly drift back to business as usual. Andrew sits down with James Everingham, former Head of Dev Infra at Meta and current CEO...
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Season 6
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Episode 18
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40:08
The agent wasteland, federated workflows, and a computer for computers
Has the cost of software development officially dropped below the minimum wage? Andrew and Ben examine this economic shift alongside the rapid open-source growth and security implications of the OpenClaw project. They also explore Steve Yegge's...
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Season 6
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Episode 17
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29:00
How monday.com paused its roadmap for 30 days to hit AI escape velocity | Sergei Liakhovetsky
Pausing a product roadmap for an entire month to point 700 engineers at a single goal is a significant structural shift, but it transformed monday.com. Andrew sits down with VP of R&D Sergei Liakhovetsky to uncover how fixing core infrastru...
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Season 6
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Episode 16
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41:58
Draining the COBOL moat, cybersecurity inequalities, and Claude’s retirement home
Andrew and Ben break down a busy week on the Friday Deploy, starting with the market reaction to new COBOL tools and the permissions oversights that led to recent outages at AWS. They also explore the shifting landscape of developer productivit...
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Season 6
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Episode 15
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25:59
Your keyboard is the real bottleneck | Wispr’s Sahaj Garg
Your keyboard is the biggest bottleneck in your engineering workflow. This week, Andrew sits down with Wispr co-founder and CTO Sahaj Garg to discuss why traditional voice dictation failed us, and how his team is rebuilding trust by using conte...
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Season 6
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Episode 14
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37:33
Outcome engineering, AI hit pieces, and the end of the backlog
Is the traditional engineering backlog officially a thing of the past? Andrew and Ben explore the principles of outcome engineering and how continuous productivity is permanently changing how software gets built. They also examine a busy week o...
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Season 6
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Episode 13
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23:34
Dex Horthy on Ralph, RPI, and escaping the "Dumb Zone"
When the Ralph autonomous loop was born, Dex Horthy was "in the garden," witnessing the spark that set the AI engineering community on fire. Andrew sits down with the HumanLayer founder to discuss how to escape the "Dumb Zone" by applying his s...
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Season 6
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Episode 12
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46:34
Breaking GitHub, AI vampires & the great Oz | Warp’s Zach Lloyd
Did AI agents just DDoS GitHub? Andrew and Ben are joined by Warp Founder and CEO Zach Lloyd to discuss the massive strain agentic workflows are putting on our infrastructure and why the "Monday Morning Commit Spike" is the new normal. They als...
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Season 6
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Episode 11
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30:56
Multi-agent orchestration in Slack | Saleforce's Kurtis Kemple
Is Slack just a chat app, or is it becoming the command line for the agentic future? Andrew sits down with Kurtis Kemple, Senior Director of DevRel at Slack, to discuss the platform's evolution into an "agentic work operating system" where huma...
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Season 6
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Episode 10
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34:11
Moltbook, Rent-a-Human, Super Agents & Connectivity Benchmark Report | ft. Gary Lerhaupt
What happens when 1.7 million autonomous agents build their own social network and start hiring humans for physical labor? Andrew and Ben break down the most surreal week in AI history - from the Moltbook social network to the Rent-a-Human mark...
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Season 6
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Episode 9
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45:40
Nobody is shipping your agent’s code (yet) | Predictions from LinearB’s Ori Keren
AI has successfully solved the blank page problem for developers, but it has created a massive new bottleneck downstream in the SDLC. LinearB CEO Ori Keren joins us to explain why 2026 will be a year of norming as organizations struggle to dige...
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Season 6
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Episode 8
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44:01
OpenClaw, a constitution for AI, breaking dark flow, and open source as a moat?
In this Friday Deploy, Andrew and Ben dive into the viral Moltbot (now OpenClaw) phenomenon and Steve Yegge's Software Survival 3.0 essay, debating how SaaS companies can build moats in an era of token-constrained engineering. They also explore...
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Season 6
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Episode 7
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23:03
Scaffolding is coping not scaling, and other lessons from Codex | OpenAI’s Thibault Sottiaux
If you rely on complex scaffolding to build AI agents you aren't scaling you are coping. Thibault Sottiaux from OpenAI’s Codex team joins us to explain why they are ruthlessly removing the harness to solve for true agentic autonomy. We discuss ...
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Season 6
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Episode 6
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40:24
Angie Jones on Ralphing 25k repos at Block, GPT-5.2 Codex, and CES weirdness
With the Ralph loop going mainstream, how are engineering organizations utilizing it at scale? Andrew and Ben sit down with Angie Jones, VP of Engineering AI Tools and Enablement at Block, to pick her brain on how they are using the Ralph Wiggu...
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Season 6
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Episode 5
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28:01
Backstage’s journey from spreadsheets to global IDP standard | Spotify’s Tyson Singer
Before Backstage became the industry standard for developer portals, Spotify’s engineers relied on spreadsheets to navigate their massive microservices ecosystem.Tyson Singer, Spotify’s Head of Technology and Platforms, joins us to trace...
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Season 6
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Episode 4
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40:49
Ralph Wiggum goes to Gas Town and the death of the IC
In our first-ever Friday edition, Andrew and Ben dive into the viral "Ralph Loop" phenomenon and discuss how simple bash loops and deterministic context allocation are changing the unit economics of code. They also explore Steve Yegge's chaotic...
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Season 6
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Episode 3
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28:27
Inventing the Ralph Wiggum Loop | Creator Geoffrey Huntley
Geoffrey Huntley argues that while software development as a profession is effectively dead, software engineering is more alive—and critical—than ever before. In this episode, the creator of the viral "Ralph" agent joins us to explain ...
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Season 6
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Episode 2
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58:14
How Capital One supports 14,000 technologists with one pipeline | Ameesh Paleja
Capital One operates less like a traditional bank and more like a "technology company that happens to do banking." Ameesh Paleja, EVP of Enterprise Platforms, joins the show to explain how this philosophy empowers their 14,000 technologists to ...
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Season 6
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Episode 1
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1:11:13
The one where we vibe code holiday cards | Season 5 Finale
As the year draws to a close, the Dev Interrupted team reflects on a transformative year in engineering spanning the rise of RAG and vector databases to the emergence of agentic workflows. For the first time, we’re taking the conversation out o...
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Season 5
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Episode 51
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28:01
Why engineering leadership matters more than ever | Manoj Mohan
The common narrative suggests AI will make engineering leadership obsolete, but history - and the Industrial Revolution - suggests the opposite is true. Engineering executive Manoj Mohan joins the show live from ELC to argue that as code genera...
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Season 5
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Episode 50
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49:23
The hidden costs of pre-computing data | Chalk's Elliot Marx
Is your engineering team wasting budget and sacrificing latency by pre-computing data that most users never see? Chalk co-founder Elliot Marx joins Andrew Zigler to explain why the future of AI relies on real-time pipelines rather than traditio...
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Season 5
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Episode 49
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40:49
Are developers happy yet? Unpacking the 2025 Developer Survey | Stack Overflow’s Erin Yepis
After hitting a low point last year, developer job satisfaction is officially on the rise. Erin Yepis returns to the show to unpack the 2025 Stack Overflow Developer Survey, analyzing how autonomy and compensation are driving this recovery. We ...
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Season 5
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Episode 48
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59:58